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[WhiteLight]

I have read your so called "refutation of racism" and it's the same stuff that antis repeat over and over ad nauseum. You might be feeling all safe now in your little bubble of ignorance, but when this once great country is ran by foreigners you won't be so smug. Britain (and traditionally White nations in general) are being invaded and our culture is being minimalised by the multicult state, and you antis are just helping extinguish our race and our culture by supporting such ideas as you do. The fact is that the foreigners pouring into this country come from a culture which is totally incompatible with our own which is thereby creating a new and totally different cultural makeup which is being forced upon us against our will.

[Darkademic]

I have read your so called "refutation of racism" and it's the same stuff that antis repeat over and over ad nauseum.

Yeah, things that are factual do tend to get repeated. Unlucky for you.

You might be feeling all safe now in your little bubble of ignorance, but when this once great country is ran by foreigners you won't be so smug.

Typical WN blab.

Britain (and traditionally White nations in general) are being invaded and our culture is being minimalised by the multicult state, and you antis are just helping extinguish our race and our culture by supporting such ideas as you do.

What culture is being "minimalized"? Invaded by whom? How are my ideas helping to "extinguish" our race/culture considering a "race" or a culture cannot be "extinguished"?

The fact is that the foreigners pouring into this country come from a culture which is totally incompatible with our own which is thereby creating a new and totally different cultural makeup which is being forced upon us against our will.

Incompatible how? What is being changed or forced upon us "against our will"? WNs are the masters of baseless assertions.

[WhiteLight]

Yeah, things that are factual do tend to get repeated. Unlucky for you.

Not the case with anti arguments. Science supports our cause not the agenda of political correctness or leftist egalitarianism.

What culture is being "minimalized"? Invaded by whom? How are my ideas helping to "extinguish" our race/culture considering a "race" or a culture cannot be "extinguished"?

White culture is being minimalized, non-whites are invading, and your ideas help to extinguish our race and our culture because as more and more of the invaders take up residence, their culture becomes more and more dominant. Soon we will be a minority in our own country and we will have nowhere to retreat.

Incompatible how? What is being changed or forced upon us "against our will"? WNs are the masters of baseless assertions.

In many cases they can't even speak English. Incompatibility is blatantly visible when you look at the ghetto like communities which have rooted themselves in inner-city areas. The immigrants form their own segregated communities and fail to properly integrate with society. This creates alienation and animosity which leads to tension and violence. If something isn't done about this then there will almost certainly be a civil war between these disparate groups.

[Arbiter]

Oh God, I hope the forum doesn't get overrun with Stormfronters.

[Darkademic]

Not the case with anti arguments. Science supports our cause not the agenda of political correctness or leftist egalitarianism.

Science certainly doesn't support your cause you dim-wit. Scientific racism has been in the scrap-heap since before World War II and was thoroughly debunked over the course of the 20th century. Do you care to give any proof to back up your claim? And no, The Bell Curve will not suffice, nor will Philippe J. Rushton.

White culture is being minimalized, non-whites are invading, and your ideas help to extinguish our race and our culture because as more and more of the invaders take up residence, their culture becomes more and more dominant. Soon we will be a minority in our own country and we will have nowhere to retreat.

But what culture specifically is being minimalized? Can we not drink tea anymore? Are "they" replacing the queen with an emperor? Is Arabic the new first language of Britain? Tell me please, because the culture you see disappearing down the drain seems perfectly fine and intact to me. As for being a minority in our own country, well that isn't even intrinsically bad. Additionally, you have to view things from a racial perspective to see things in such a way. People are living longer and having less children, so should we be scared that "young people" are going to become a minority and assume that "youth culture" is going to be minimalized and extinguished?

In many cases they can't even speak English. Incompatibility is blatantly visible when you look at the ghetto like communities which have rooted themselves in inner-city areas. The immigrants form their own segregated communities and fail to properly integrate with society. This creates alienation and animosity which leads to tension and violence. If something isn't done about this then there will almost certainly be a civil war between these disparate groups.

This is a whole different issuse which racial-nationalists such as yourself enjoy packaging together. The language issue is not a racial issue: Polish people might not be able to speak English either, but they are "White". Whilst I don't deny that ghetto communities exist, they are not the be-all and end-all of immigrant communities. Plenty of immigrants integrate perfectly into British society and often contribute more to the economy than natives do (see Welfare dependancy culture). When immigrants do create their own segregated communities it is mainly down to the immigration system in place. When large volumes of foreign people enter the country, they will obviously stick together, and there's sense in that trend. In most cases it isn't even a problem when they do do this. The key flaw in your argument is the mish-mashing of various unrelated problems and labelling them a "race problem" (or whatever you might call it).

[WhiteLight]

Science certainly doesn't support your cause you dim-wit. Scientific racism has been in the scrap-heap since before World War II and was thoroughly debunked over the course of the 20th century. Do you care to give any proof to back up your claim? And no, The Bell Curve will not suffice, nor will Philippe J. Rushton.

Childish insults hardly demonstrate intelligence.

There is a great deal of evidence to support the existence of important biological differences between the various racial groups.

http://www.racialcom...ldiversity.html

But what culture specifically is being minimalized? Can we not drink tea anymore? Are "they" replacing the queen with an emperor? Is Arabic the new first language of Britain? Tell me please, because the culture you see disappearing down the drain seems perfectly fine and intact to me. As for being a minority in our own country, well that isn't even intrinsically bad. Additionally, you have to view things from a racial perspective to see things in such a way. People are living longer and having less children, so should we be scared that "young people" are going to become a minority and assume that "youth culture" is going to be minimalized and extinguished?

Multiculturalism kills the diversity of cultures, and will destroy (is destroying) what our ancestors have fought for in countless wars throughout history. Diversity of history will be lost, each country has its own history and multiculturalism will negate the history independent nations. It isn't just small elements of White culture it is White culture (and the White race) as a whole which is being destroyed. If you can't even see what is happening it just highlights the ignorance of antis.

Youth culture is not the same because all racial groups have people of different ages within them, and different age groups are sub-cultures of the wider racial/national culture rather than cultures in themselves.

This is a whole different issuse which racial-nationalists such as yourself enjoy packaging together. The language issue is not a racial issue: Polish people might not be able to speak English either, but they are "White". Whilst I don't deny that ghetto communities exist, they are not the be-all and end-all of immigrant communities. Plenty of immigrants integrate perfectly into British society and often contribute more to the economy than natives do (see Welfare dependancy culture). When immigrants do create their own segregated communities it is mainly down to the immigration system in place. When large volumes of foreign people enter the country, they will obviously stick together, and there's sense in that trend. In most cases it isn't even a problem when they do do this. The key flaw in your argument is the mish-mashing of various unrelated problems and labelling them a "race problem" (or whatever you might call it).

Polish people are still culturally more similar to English people than Africans or Asians, but even so the Polish should stay in Poland in my opinion. A huge imbalance in crime per capita by blacks exists in virtually every ethnically mixed place on the planet, a testament to their genetic differences t Whites. Islam is also a threat because their values are totally different to those of most White people - they desire to infiltrate, set-camp, and then turn countries into Islamic states. Animosity and racial tension doesn't just exist for no reason, it is because non-White culture is incompatible with White culture.

[Darkademic]

Childish insults hardly demonstrate intelligence.

No they just poke fun at you.

There is a great deal of evidence to support the existence of important biological differences between the various racial groups.

http://www.racialcom...ldiversity.html

Sigh, no there isn't. It's all pseudo-science most of which is written by racists to support their own views. Aside from that racists just misinterpret, exaggerate or openly lie about actual scientific findings. Richard McCulloch is hardly a good example of race-science, if you can even call it that. McCulloch is more concerned with "diversity" and its preservation, and the prevention of "interbreeding" between races. I asked for something scientifc, not the personal views of some paranoid wackjob.

Multiculturalism kills the diversity of cultures, and will destroy (is destroying) what our ancestors have fought for in countless wars throughout history. Diversity of history will be lost, each country has its own history and multiculturalism will negate the history independent nations. It isn't just small elements of White culture it is White culture (and the White race) as a whole which is being destroyed. If you can't even see what is happening it just highlights the ignorance of antis.

Your evasion is beginning to annoy me. If you can't even suggest singular items of culture that are being taken away then you really have no argument. "White culture as a whole" has to contain particular elements which are under threat for your argument to be valid.

Wars have been fought throughout history, so what? Now you're just spouting random irrelevant blab. Wars weren't fought between races, so it really had nothing to do with the defense of racial culture. That's one of the most annoying things about WNs, you think everything is reducible to something to do with race.

Also, diversity is not a positive thing in itself. WNs always seem to contradict themselves by demanding homogenity (of a race) on one hand, but diversity (of races) on the other.

Youth culture is not the same because all racial groups have people of different ages within them, and different age groups are sub-cultures of the wider racial/national culture rather than cultures in themselves.

That isn't an argument, it's an attempt at defining what a sub-culture is. It is irrelevant how you choose to structure or classify culture, the fact remains that cultural differences between age groups can be just as visible as those between religions, ethnic groups, races, political movements, nations etc.

Polish people are still culturally more similar to English people than Africans or Asians, but even so the Polish should stay in Poland in my opinion. A huge imbalance in crime per capita by blacks exists in virtually every ethnically mixed place on the planet, a testament to their genetic differences t Whites. Islam is also a threat because their values are totally different to those of most White people - they desire to infiltrate, set-camp, and then turn countries into Islamic states. Animosity and racial tension doesn't just exist for no reason, it is because non-White culture is incompatible with White culture.

Culture is learned, so Africans and Asians can be closer to British culture than Poles.

The rest of this paragraph is generic WN bunk with no real merit. The case against Blacks and Muslims is typical collectivist trash, statistical misinterpretation. A huge imbalance in crime per capita by Blacks does not prove the incompatibility of "Black culture" with "Western culture" it just proves that there is a huge imbalance in crime per capita by Blacks.

[WhiteLight]

Sigh, no there isn't. It's all pseudo-science most of which is written by racists to support their own views. Aside from that racists just misinterpret, exaggerate or openly lie about actual scientific findings. Richard McCulloch is hardly a good example of race-science, if you can even call it that. McCulloch is more concerned with "diversity" and its preservation, and the prevention of "interbreeding" between races. I asked for something scientifc, not the personal views of some paranoid wackjob.
Your evasion is beginning to annoy me. If you can't even suggest singular items of culture that are being taken away then you really have no argument. "White culture as a whole" has to contain particular elements which are under threat for your argument to be valid.

Maybe Stanford University is "good enough" for you?

http://mednews.stanf...racial-data.htm

Wars have been fought throughout history, so what? Now you're just spouting random irrelevant blab. Wars weren't fought between races, so it really had nothing to do with the defense of racial culture. That's one of the most annoying things about WNs, you think everything is reducible to something to do with race.

Differences in culture is what causes conflict between groups. The greater the differences, the higher probability of conflict. Since racial groups have always been the most geographically distant groupings in relation to each other, their cultural differences are also the greatest. It's the innate differences that cause conflict.

Also, diversity is not a positive thing in itself. WNs always seem to contradict themselves by demanding homogenity (of a race) on one hand, but diversity (of races) on the other.

Maybe in your opinion racial diversity isn't a positive thing, but to us it is, and we have the right to defend ourselves from the multicultural disaster waiting to happen. There is no contradiction as you say. We want to preserve racial and cultural diversity and identity, where multiculturalists want a muddy homogenity where thousands of years of proud history are surrendered and forgotten.

That isn't an argument, it's an attempt at defining what a sub-culture is. It is irrelevant how you choose to structure or classify culture, the fact remains that cultural differences between age groups can be just as visible as those between religions, ethnic groups, races, political movements, nations etc.
Culture is learned, so Africans and Asians can be closer to British culture than Poles.

Then you are ignorant of the non-learned, biological factors at work. Race is by far the most salient dividing line, as evidenced by the way members of each race cluster together in attempts at multicultural societies, rather than mingling together as a unified whole.

The rest of this paragraph is generic WN bunk with no real merit. The case against Blacks and Muslims is typical collectivist trash, statistical misinterpretation. A huge imbalance in crime per capita by Blacks does not prove the incompatibility of "Black culture" with "Western culture" it just proves that there is a huge imbalance in crime per capita by Blacks.

An imbalance which is caused by real, biological factors. The same factors which make non-White culture incompatible with White culture.

[Darkademic]

Maybe Stanford University is "good enough" for you?

http://mednews.stanf...racial-data.htm

That doesn't support racism in the slightest. All it's saying is that the generalized perception of race correlates with some genetic material. They don't even specify what that material is, and they also point out that none of the people in the study are of "mixed-race" people, who would not fit into neat categories. Just because you can categorize people in the way that they have doesn't mean it's objective - you could categorize people in a vast number of ways, none of which are more valid than any other.

Differences in culture is what causes conflict between groups. The greater the differences, the higher probability of conflict. Since racial groups have always been the most geographically distant groupings in relation to each other, their cultural differences are also the greatest. It's the innate differences that cause conflict.

Firstly that's conjecture, and secondly you are suggesting placing arbitrary geographical barriers. Why not segregate every individual nation to preserve their individual cultures and prevent any conflict? Why not segregate each country within the United Kingdom? Each county? Each city? What's more, race is no longer strictly geographical, so your point holds little weight. Lastly, who are you to force people to not migrate - especially if they are trying to escape a poor existence to move to a country where they have a chance for a decent life?

Maybe in your opinion racial diversity isn't a positive thing, but to us it is, and we have the right to defend ourselves from the multicultural disaster waiting to happen. There is no contradiction as you say. We want to preserve racial and cultural diversity and identity, where multiculturalists want a muddy homogenity where thousands of years of proud history are surrendered and forgotten.

There's a difference between protecting yourselves and forcing millions of people out of their homes for the sake of racial homogenity. Further, it is irrelevant whether racial diversity is "positive" or not (whatever that means). The fact is that the prevention of racial diversity requires the violation of individual rights, and so is totally wrong.

Then you are ignorant of the non-learned, biological factors at work. Race is by far the most salient dividing line, as evidenced by the way members of each race cluster together in attempts at multicultural societies, rather than mingling together as a unified whole.

Fah, they cluster because they can relate to people who are alike themselves, and need that kind of support network if they have recently moved to a new and strange country. It has nothing to do with them wanting to be separate to the native population, they just want to be with those with a similar background.

Non-learned, biological factors? All human behaviour is learned, so tell me another one.

An imbalance which is caused by real, biological factors. The same factors which make non-White culture incompatible with White culture.

Conjecture. Biological factors do not, and can not cause things such as crime because such things involve complex structures of knowledge.

[Twilight]

WhiteLight (what a laughably standard WN name that is) you seem seriously confused. Your arguments are coming from all over the place and it seems like you don't even understand your own viewpoint. Of course I don't expect the average WN to make a whole lot of sense, but surely you can do better than this.

Answer me this. Why, as a White Nationalist, do you reject the fact that human beings are individuals and should be treated accordingly. Why do you insist on grouping people according to race?

[Darkademic]

WhiteLight (what a laughably standard WN name that is) you seem seriously confused. Your arguments are coming from all over the place and it seems like you don't even understand your own viewpoint. Of course I don't expect the average WN to make a whole lot of sense, but surely you can do better than this.

I agree, but my experience debating with WN's in the past hasn't been much diffferent.

[WhiteLight]

That doesn't support racism in the slightest. All it's saying is that the generalized perception of race correlates with some genetic material. They don't even specify what that material is, and they also point out that none of the people in the study are of "mixed-race" people, who would not fit into neat categories. Just because you can categorize people in the way that they have doesn't mean it's objective - you could categorize people in a vast number of ways, none of which are more valid than any other.

You can categorize other people in a vast number of ways, but race is a particularly visible and important dividing factor. It is obvious that there are some influential differences at work when you have such a disproportionate number of black people imprisoned and/or commiting crimes. These differences are consistently found and therefore are likely to have a basis in biology. In any case this is irrelevant. White Nationalism only seeks to preserve the heritage of our race and keep it separate and sovereign. It is our right to do so.

Firstly that's conjecture, and secondly you are suggesting placing arbitrary geographical barriers. Why not segregate every individual nation to preserve their individual cultures and prevent any conflict? Why not segregate each country within the United Kingdom? Each county? Each city? What's more, race is no longer strictly geographical, so your point holds little weight.

It is only recently that massive migration of racial groups (almost always from non-white to white countries) has come about. That is the whole problem. Previous to that nations were ethnically/racially homogeneous. The UK is a traditionally white nation.

Lastly, who are you to force people to not migrate - especially if they are trying to escape a poor existence to move to a country where they have a chance for a decent life?

This is the type of attitude that likely caused their own country to be so bad in the first place. I strongly believe they should stay where they are and help make their own nations better places to live.

There's a difference between protecting yourselves and forcing millions of people out of their homes for the sake of racial homogenity. Further, it is irrelevant whether racial diversity is "positive" or not (whatever that means). The fact is that the prevention of racial diversity requires the violation of individual rights, and so is totally wrong.

It is the fault of the government for letting so many of them in in the first place. It's quite clear that multiculturalism does not work, and causes all kinds of problems. The only solution is to try to reverse the damage, regardless of how long it takes, or how difficult it is.

Fah, they cluster because they can relate to people who are alike themselves, and need that kind of support network if they have recently moved to a new and strange country. It has nothing to do with them wanting to be separate to the native population, they just want to be with those with a similar background.

Exactly. Culture goes hand in hand with race. What's the point of moving to another country if you're just going to set up your own little mini country inside it?

Non-learned, biological factors? All human behaviour is learned, so tell me another one.

That is blatantly false. Much human behaviour is heavily influenced by biology. Black people have higher testosterone levels which causes them to be more aggressive, for example.

Conjecture. Biological factors do not, and can not cause things such as crime because such things involve complex structures of knowledge.

Biological factors influence aggressive behaviour, for example, which can lead to crime.

[Darkademic]

You can categorize other people in a vast number of ways, but race is a particularly visible and important dividing factor.

No, race is not particularly visible and important. It is vaguely visible and not important. How do you quantify a race, what are its defining characteristics?

It is obvious that there are some influential differences at work when you have such a disproportionate number of black people imprisoned and/or commiting crimes. These differences are consistently found and therefore are likely to have a basis in biology. In any case this is irrelevant. White Nationalism only seeks to preserve the heritage of our race and keep it separate and sovereign. It is our right to do so.

The disproportionate number of blacks who are imprisoned means nothing relating to biology. Yes, it denotes a real cultural anomaly, however so does the disproportionate number of males in prison compared to females. This certainly does not mean all males are somehow more criminal than all females, just as all blacks are not more criminal than all whites. Your argument is an example of the typical White Nationalist inability to view individuals as separate entities rather than simply part, or a representative, of a racial group.

I do not question your right to be separate, I question the reasoning you employ that would make you desire such action.

It is only recently that massive migration of racial groups (almost always from non-white to white countries) has come about. That is the whole problem. Previous to that nations were ethnically/racially homogeneous. The UK is a traditionally white nation.

Do you think the United States should be returned to the Native Americans?

This is the type of attitude that likely caused their own country to be so bad in the first place. I strongly believe they should stay where they are and help make their own nations better places to live.

I don't really care what you believe. Do you advocate the use of force to keep them where they are?

It is the fault of the government for letting so many of them in in the first place. It's quite clear that multiculturalism does not work, and causes all kinds of problems. The only solution is to try to reverse the damage, regardless of how long it takes, or how difficult it is.

Why is it "quite clear"?

Your vision of mass deportation is frankly ludicrous. It won't ever happen.

Exactly. Culture goes hand in hand with race. What's the point of moving to another country if you're just going to set up your own little mini country inside it?

What's wrong with it? In many (most) cases the communities will gradually integrate as they become more affluent. Families will often move to the predominantly white suburbs. I also disagree that these communities are completely segregated from the rest of society. It simply isn't like that.

That is blatantly false. Much human behaviour is heavily influenced by biology. Black people have higher testosterone levels which causes them to be more aggressive, for example.

Body chemicals simply alter sensations, and what's more they vary greatly even amongst families. How we act on our sensations, emotions and experiences is ultimately down to us.

Biological factors influence aggressive behaviour, for example, which can lead to crime.

Religious teachings may also influence one's behaviour. Nearly everything one experience's will influence one's behaviour. The fact is, racial groups contain every kind of personality. You get shy black people and aggressive white people. Biology dictates nothing, and therefore it is nonsense to rely on it to make complicated pre-judgements of people.

[WhiteLight]

No, race is not particularly visible and important. It is vaguely visible and not important. How do you quantify a race, what are its defining characteristics?

Here are characteristics which separate any given caucasoids, negroids and mongoloids from another:

http://anthropology....on_affinity.PDF

The disproportionate number of blacks who are imprisoned means nothing relating to biology. Yes, it denotes a real cultural anomaly, however so does the disproportionate number of males in prison compared to females. This certainly does not mean all males are somehow more criminal than all females, just as all blacks are not more criminal than all whites. Your argument is an example of the typical White Nationalist inability to view individuals as separate entities rather than simply part, or a representative, of a racial group.

I do not question your right to be separate, I question the reasoning you employ that would make you desire such action.

It doesn't matter what the reasons are, all that matters are the facts. The facts show that non-Whites commit far more crime than Whites. This shows that Black culture is generally more violent and opposed to White culture. Non-Whites are, in general, destructive when it comes to our culture and our heritage. We don't want them in our countries.

Do you think the United States should be returned to the Native Americans?

No.

I don't really care what you believe. Do you advocate the use of force to keep them where they are?

I advocate the use of force to stop them from coming here.

Why is it "quite clear"?

Your vision of mass deportation is frankly ludicrous. It won't ever happen.

We'll see.

What's wrong with it? In many (most) cases the communities will gradually integrate as they become more affluent. Families will often move to the predominantly white suburbs. I also disagree that these communities are completely segregated from the rest of society. It simply isn't like that.

Bullshit. It's exactly like that. The vast majority of non-Whites live in self-imposed ghettos.

Body chemicals simply alter sensations, and what's more they vary greatly even amongst families. How we act on our sensations, emotions and experiences is ultimately down to us.

You obviously know very little about human biology.

Religious teachings may also influence one's behaviour. Nearly everything one experience's will influence one's behaviour. The fact is, racial groups contain every kind of personality. You get shy black people and aggressive white people. Biology dictates nothing, and therefore it is nonsense to rely on it to make complicated pre-judgements of people.

Maybe in your multicult fairyland, but in the real world race does make a difference.