43 replies to this topic

[Apolon]

Ok.. nothing should be legal that makes ppl lose control of themselves..

[Reel]

It is proven that weed casues less damage then alcohol and you get less violent when you smoke weed.

If it there is a drug that should be legal it's weed, but only in the extent as it is in the Netherlands in coffee shops etc. You shouldnt have to buy it from dealers because then it's a gateway to heavier stuff.

I don't drink a lot and I don't plan on doing drugs either so I don't care if they ban it all or make weed legal.

[Apolon]

It is proven that weed casues less damage then alcohol and you get less violent when you smoke weed.

wrong just because

You shouldnt have to buy it from dealers because then it's a gateway to heavier stuff.

its very simple

[Reel]

wrong just because

Wrong? It's pure fact.

[Apolon]

ok i did not quote right ... but i say yourself..

You shouldnt have to buy it from dealers because then it's a gateway to heavier stuff.

that HUGE reason man... its like wvw huge ..

[benj]

Yes, completely. Why?

Ignoring all other factors, the potential to raise revenue by taxing them is mindblowing. If politicians want to play the 'good-guy' card, they can redivert that money into much more education, aid for addicted users, treatments via the NHS for affected users, and probably still have money left over. More education, and awareness, is needed. I remember going through school and had about 1hour of education on them. Don't villanise them, just educate. Give them the information they need to make a decision by themselves.

In my opinion, this isn't a health issue, otherwise booze and tobacco would be illegal as well. It's because politicians focus on the short-term of everything. They fail to see, or to care, about the big issue, and the long-term movement and changes that need to take place for our country to grow. I'd imagine it's political suicide to want to legalize drugs. Despite the great arguments that support it, it can be thrown in their face by the opposition, and spun by the media to make them look like Evil Emperor Zerg.

Also, alcohol has awful effects on the body. If you vapourise weed, you don't even get the negative effects of smoking. Everything in moderation though. As suggested by others, there's some cool benefits to drinking a small amount of red wine, reguraly.

[Nvrdie]

Drugs are not the problem.

The person who has the addictive personality / need to be drugged is the problem.


If you focus on the drug, you miss the issue.

The issue is inside people, its complex but why people start using drugs and why they abuse them varies.

You have to be compassionate, sympathetic and supportive and most of all listen to that person to know why "They" abuse drugs.

Being absoulute and saying "Drugs are Bad, Drugs are the problem" is too simplistic.


It is possible to "Use" drugs and "Abuse" drugs.
I have used drugs to alter my state of mind, from coffee and nicotiene to well... pretty much all other drugs.
I have abused drugs before, but always managed to return to being centred and not "Need" drugs.


You must allow people to express themselves, make their choices and their mistakes.

If recrational use of Drugs becoms an Abuse of a drug, then Help that person.. not punish.

As a society, I think its sensible to keep drugs off the streets and not freely available.

Less temptation, less explotation.

The determined who want use a drug, will find that drug.

[Apolon]

agreed ... that's why i said everything that can be use to lose control...

[Bibidiboo]

ok i did not quote right ... but i say yourself..




that HUGE reason man... its like wvw huge ..

That's a huge reason to make it obtainable from proper inspected by government places, that way it is no gateway. Weed is a ''gateway drug'', because it puts you in contact with the dealer. On a side-note, the whole ''gateway drug'' thing is propaganda from the media and has - to my knowledge- hardly any scientific basis.

Another thing, recent* research says that Weed has no long-term effects, no cancer, no effects on the body. (Exception being excessive use for children under 17)

Tobacco and alcohol are very damaging for your body, and much more addictive. ( statistics : weed - 9% of adults got addicted, alcohol was over 25%, tobacco even higher [or vice-versa i forget ] )
Also, weed does not make people lose control of themselves unless they take too much and get some minor hallucinations ( Which means you need to smoke a LOOOOOOT in a VERY short time OR be very sensitive, which is the exception), alcohol does this much much much much much worse.

My point being, why would weed be the primary thing of the ''War on drugs'', when it's less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol which are legal? It's all politics. ALL of it. All bullshit in other words. De-criminalizing works, it's just about proven.

*researched opinions change every few years, but all research agrees that weed is less harming.

Edited by Bibidiboo, 27 March 2012 - 09:50 pm.

[Doeke]

That's a huge reason to make it obtainable from proper inspected by government places, that way it is no gateway. Weed is a ''gateway drug'', because it puts you in contact with the dealer. On a side-note, the whole ''gateway drug'' thing is propaganda from the media and has - to my knowledge- hardly any scientific basis.

Another thing, recent* research says that Weed has no long-term effects, no cancer, no effects on the body. (Exception being excessive use for children under 17)

Tobacco and alcohol are very damaging for your body, and much more addictive. ( statistics : weed - 9% of adults got addicted, alcohol was over 25%, tobacco even higher [or vice-versa i forget ] )
Also, weed does not make people lose control of themselves unless they take too much and get some minor hallucinations ( Which means you need to smoke a LOOOOOOT in a VERY short time OR be very sensitive, which is the exception), alcohol does this much much much much much worse.

My point being, why would weed be the primary thing of the ''War on drugs'', when it's less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol which are legal? It's all politics. ALL of it. All bullshit in other words. De-criminalizing works, it's just about proven.

*researched opinions change every few years, but all research agrees that weed is less harming.

Well said. I've seen alcohol put people in the hospital or make them do or say things they regretted. Worst case for weed is that you eat something silly, giggle a lot and go to bed early.

[Asi]

Alcohol is a drug.

For me it isn't
I never drink too much, and I only drink because I like the taste of it ;p
And with me it's not like I use it every day in the week or weekend. Just often at party's or friends. Or at home ofcourse

[HellsingDS]

I say everyone should have the freedom to do as they wish with their bodies but they should be properly educated in the effects first. I think the main pro really is to give people the freedom and to remove the funding of more barbaric criminal organizations whilst allowing governments to tax it. Also, we might eventually have a digital currency immune to political attack

I myself have smoked weed a lot in the past but slowly smoked less and less until about 6 months ago when I quit completely. Saying that, I have had one or two tokes since then but only for old times sake. I made a vow to myself back in school not to try anything unnatural (and for the most part I have) but I have tried e's twice and morphine twice. Other than that i've been clean, at least from the illegal stuff, I still smoke and drink on occasion.

I believe some people down play the effects of some drugs, I saw a lot of my friends become highly dependant on drugs like speed and such in order to get past bad events or simply have a good time. Its almost sad how many times they had to turn to it without being able to do anything on their own, clean. I also have alot of much older friends around 40-50 who have been smoking weed their entire lifes and although they are really cool guys they seem to have fallen prone to some pretty heavy psychological issues. Maybe its not the drugs but the possibility is there...

So yeah, freedom to do as people please... just not without a proper education on them and proper recognition of bad effects.

Edited by HellsingDS, 29 March 2012 - 11:31 am.