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#1 uTweaker

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:03 am

I always strive to improve myself and of late ive been paying alot of attention to my body but not my mind, one area that i always strive to improve is my leadership skill set and approach, ive been described as a natural born leader and I do enjoy it but my skill especially my social skills need honing and I require a broader set of tools to help move me along my path, you guys are my guinea pigs i need to practice :) anyway i sort of digress, i read a few articles every so often to try to keep up on current thinking and improve myself, i think the linked article is rather interesting as it points out some things that id not considered before, http://www.mbaskool....and-mmorpg.html

Leaderships skills are transferable, anything you learn from leading in an mmo can help you in your work or even you home life (as a dad you are a leader)

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:50 am

The often overlooked part of being a leader is the ability to read people and adjust your approach appropriately, I'm starting to find that the older i get the more empathy leading to understanding, sympathy and compassion are as important to getting shit done and keeping people happy as knowing what your doing or the ability to herd sheep.


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#3 uTweaker

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 11:59 am

Yeah that's often refered to as 'tailoring the message to the audience' and its a great skill to master.

 

I expect a lot of people but really I should adapt my approach to the people im leading not expect them to meet what I deem to be the 'ideal' its difficult but fun trying to master.


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Posted 05 November 2014 - 12:10 pm

Practice leading some pvp :)

Its more like hearding cats Tha sheep, but it can be fun if you don't let winning be the all important goal but one of a few....
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Posted 05 November 2014 - 12:56 pm

My day job is in management. I'm always learning still after 12years. New approaches and techniques. Learn from other managers. It's a cert that mistakes will be made but as long as they are learnt from we improve. We used to do a lot of raiding and pvp. We did pvp for fun and always enjoyed it. Hiding in carts and ambushing people. End of the day it's a game to be enjoyed.
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Posted 05 November 2014 - 05:49 pm

Don't call guildies noobs. Just my 2 cents.


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Posted 05 November 2014 - 09:13 pm

You already got a private message about that, you should read it again. ;)


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 01:27 am

Adaptable, and diverse, and know yourself more than anything... I've been quiet naive, arrogant, obnoxious in the past.

 

I think my down fall was communication and not being able to take things as seriously as I wanted to. My idol would be... lt winters 

 

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But feel I ended up being more like this guy.... brothers1_l.jpg

 

 

Now if I were to lead, i'd be more like Dr.evil & my idol would be more like Hitler without the command structure and ridiculous ideology... not sure what's happened to me but... my god, what the fuck's wrong with the world?

 

Adaptability, Diversity, Communication, and try not to be a cunt.  Oh yeah, the other thing is getting people to follow you... you piss off one or two for whatever reason (even if you're right), they end up working against you and try to make everything difficult. You can't really avoid that, it's the same as having an argument about government to a libertarian. Doesn't really get anywhere.


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 01:32 am

Make a decision. Preferably the best one, and trust your instinct. 


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:29 am

Calm and methodical, thinking before reacting and viewing all sides to a situation before coming to a final decision.

Simple steps that have put me in the place I am.

 

Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things. - Peter Drucker
 


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 12:49 pm

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I think leaders are born with the characteristics required, It's not so easy to teach or learn to become one, though of course experience does help. We all know people who are academic but have little to none common sense.

 

Maj Winters was simply a natural born leader. He had the tactical ability and the confidence to lead but with all great leaders are the traits that cannot be taught, such as a natural compassion and empathy. That kind of thing can't be faked or "put on" for the situation, his men knew this and would following him into hell (for the most part). Damien Lewis seemed to capture the real Winters quite well (from what I remember from the books) portraying a calmness that was attributed to the man.

 

Staying with BoB, Sgt Lipton is a good example (based soley on the TV series) of someone who had that natural compassion. One look at Cpt Speirs though you might not think that was part of his leadership ability, but he did have a powerful devotion to his men, that and he was fucking awesome!

 

Too many people get to management levels because of nepotism or because they're more academic than others, this leads to real problems in a lot of organisations that I'm sure most of us see on a daily basis.


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 03:02 pm

Charisma often is called the primary attribute to leadership that comes down to decision making and making the right calls at the right times, being observative, analytical, adaptable and able to step into the same shoes with everyone else, yet being able to stand aside in 3rd person view as an observer applying all of the above to judge ur own self/persona as just another pawn and what would your actions result to will allow u to make the right calls which will earn you a great deal in leadership.

in other words you need to be able to think ahead accounting for situations and variables, thinking urself as another piece on the chessboard and not the player.

 

heck pick up playing some chess ^_^

 

But being a leader is not always about being able to learn to be one but having the personality to be one and sometimes no matter how hard people may try you cant change who you are.


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 08:35 pm

I think that, especially in online gaming, the person with the loudest voice and most charisma can get mistaken for a good leader. IMO a good leader is someone who excels at communication and empathy - knowing how to deal with different personalities without ever having to resort to aggression is a valuable trait. I also think the leader should respect and trust his team just as much as the team respects the leader. 


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 11:00 pm

I think that, especially in online gaming, the person with the loudest voice and most charisma can get mistaken for a good leader. IMO a good leader is someone who excels at communication and empathy - knowing how to deal with different personalities without ever having to resort to aggression is a valuable trait. I also think the leader should respect and trust his team just as much as the team respects the leader. 

 This.

 

Leadership positions should be seen as positions of service, not positions of power. A leader should seek to serve the people that he/she leads by leading them.

 

Related to this, leaders should earn respect, not expect respect to be given to them because they are leaders. I don't respect any 'leader' in this guild or any other guild until they've earned my respect. In fact, I don't even see these 'leaders' as leaders at all.

 

A leadership position is not all about power and bossing people around. People who want to boss other people around and tell them what to do are overlords and tyrants and deserve no respect. There is a difference between bossing people around and guiding people in such a way that they agree with what you would like them to do -- and the latter is exactly what I feel leadership is all about. A leader that truly leads has the group he is leading in one mind and in one collective, collaborated entity, with all the members of the group truly feeling and being in-line with the cause and understanding what's going on.

 

With regard to practising this transferrable skill, it's interesting because while the aforementioned state is super difficult/nigh impossible to achieve in the real world with regard to companies and jobs, there is actually a better chance of doing that in an online game since there is absolutely no deadline to meet or contract to upkeep or anything else that can potentially make you end up homeless IRL.

 

So yes, I agree with practising to be a leader in an online game. :)


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 11:23 pm

 there is actually a better chance of doing that in an online game since there is absolutely no deadline to meet or contract to upkeep or anything else that can potentially make you end up homeless IRL.

 Not exactly true.

 

We had in Wildstar issues with people demanding XY and Z from our raids, people getting fed up and leaving simply because we did not reach a certain goal... IE a boss kill by such a date.

This was an issue each and every raid with people dropping off and leaving, leaving us with having to reorganize everything in an attempt to get a full team to raid...

It killed us in the end where people argued seconds after our last raid and I had nine people contact me stating that they were leaving due to it.

 

Don't mean to sound down, I'm more proud that we lasted so long and achieved so much all the while suffering so many near fatal blows before the end.

 

**Re-reading and I think I may be off topic, not sure so I'll keep this up anyway**

 

Those who deserve power don't seek it, and those that seek it don't deserve it.


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Posted 07 November 2014 - 12:57 am

I think that, especially in online gaming, the person with the loudest voice and most charisma can get mistaken for a good leader. IMO a good leader is someone who excels at communication and empathy - knowing how to deal with different personalities without ever having to resort to aggression is a valuable trait. I also think the leader should respect and trust his team just as much as the team respects the leader. 

 

 

Nah, love a good aggressive rage, it actually gets stuff done.

 

It's difficult to be empathetic through online gaming, I mean if I could touch people with my hand on my heart and gaze at them with with moist eyes, I would. I did have a bit of a break down once or twice but mainly because I was restricted due to that lack of empathy, resorting to aggression from my part was out of exhaustion after naturally applying the calm and collective approach.

 

Gordan Ramsey. - Might not like him, but it works. 'Good' leaders can also make bad decisions. - Although I don't think you're defining a good leader to a bad leader, you're explaining a personal preference in leadership style.

 

How do you define communication?

 

 

 

I think leaders are born with the characteristics required, It's not so easy to teach or learn to become one, though of course experience does help. We all know people who are academic but have little to none common sense.

 

Maj Winters was simply a natural born leader. He had the tactical ability and the confidence to lead but with all great leaders are the traits that cannot be taught, such as a natural compassion and empathy. That kind of thing can't be faked or "put on" for the situation, his men knew this and would following him into hell (for the most part). Damien Lewis seemed to capture the real Winters quite well (from what I remember from the books) portraying a calmness that was attributed to the man.

 

Staying with BoB, Sgt Lipton is a good example (based soley on the TV series) of someone who had that natural compassion. One look at Cpt Speirs though you might not think that was part of his leadership ability, but he did have a powerful devotion to his men, that and he was fucking awesome!

 

Too many people get to management levels because of nepotism or because they're more academic than others, this leads to real problems in a lot of organisations that I'm sure most of us see on a daily basis.

 

 

True, I do think different scenarios true colors in a person. I also think some leadership styles are better at handling and achieving certain goals than others. I think different types of people can make great leaders, for different scenarios, while some people, just can't lead.

 

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These are the people I keep rubbing up against at the moment.


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