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#17 Donkzy

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Posted 12 April 2015 - 01:28 pm

I don't read too much in to politics so i don't complain, I will now tho. I will say they are all morally corrupt bastards. Going back a year or two most mp's claimed for as much as they could (they say it ok its allowed) morally they know its wrong to claim for 2nd houses, porno's and kit-kats etc as much as they could.

 

A few got in trouble, most just was given a time out or a warning and they overhauled the system. Today they are claiming DOUBLE what they were back then as it was overhauled by themselves and their friends. They know its morally wrong to do so but all only look after themselves. The 3 main party's are old archeaic corrupt self absorbed institutions and need to go. 

 

Least UKIP would be a change. I watch some debates and Nigel Farage is the only one who actually answers the questions put to him. The Green Party would also be a welcome change. Just not the main 3

 

Conservative have gone back on so many promises. I mean even Tax they make it now £10,600 personal allowance, sound good increase, but they have made the 40% tax bracket almost 7K less than 5 years ago shitting on the average man who now has 0 motivation to try and earn more 40K a year with overtime which is do-able for a lot. They changed it this year 2 weeks before the budget and sneak it in, they said they wouldn't alter it. Not much point now tho if you work hard they take the extra. Keeping the workers in their place. Also University fees they said they would abolish, then freeze them, now they've increased. They are all lying bullshitters only out for themselves. Sorry if this come across as small minded but in the real world that's how it is.

 

As for leadership I remember seeing a video of Ed Miliband crawling on his hands and knees trying to open doors trying to stay off camera for Tony Blair when he did an interview walking down a corridor, like a worm, is that the sort of person you want leading your country. Country full of scrubbers and lowlifes anyway so fuck it


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#18 Aumento

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 03:39 am

Whoever you vote for the Government gets in.

Those top 1% are only interested in one thing increasing their wealth and power through whatever means necessary, which most of the time is bad news for the rest of us. The majority of the banking sector should be behind bars right now for what they did and continue to do.

I watched PM questions a few times it's called that because nobody answers any questions.


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Posted 19 April 2015 - 05:24 am

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#20 Rylanor

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 01:04 pm

I was quite a fan of the Greens, but that's more their beliefs and whichever sensible policies they have. I hadn't heard of the silly ones or seen anyone on a debate yet. I have that first two-hour multi-leader debate recorded, but sitcoms are much more cheerful to watch.

 

I'm swinging between red and blue. Mainly since where I live swings between them and I doubt any other vote will matter, though I did kinda like the libdems. I hate the zero-hour contracts and Labour wants to ban them, but business leaders say Labour will ruin us, my mum says big money goes straight out of the country to avoid tax... Tories let in the 0-hour greedy business/employers, debilitate the poor and disabled, but they want to increase  the inheritance tax threshold which is always nice, but so many houses are worth so much, even losing that amount to tax doesn't necessarily mean you're crippled.


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#21 Xaphan

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 05:56 pm

All this said i will likely vote UKIP in reality.

Take time to ignore Tory & Labour backed media and you may actually hear comments where Farage states he would ditch the EU in favour of our own commonwealth population where immigration is concerned. It's a far cry from the racist tag the other parties rely on for their slur campaigns.

 

I'm all for anyone coming to play with us if they are skilled. I'm against benefits for people not in the country and free entry to 5 generations of family when said skilled person arrives though.


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Posted 21 April 2015 - 06:38 pm

labour privatised the nhs and to some existent schools via the pfi ramping

o hour contracts are no different to agency work

labour introduced the dual nill rate band so technically you don't pay inheritance tax till 650000 (married couple only) anyone over that cap sorts the rest out in trusts

houses are cheep in Spain because Lloyds lost big over there which were then bailed out by labour via the British taxpayer

labour deregulated the mortgage market which resulted in massive slavery and created an uncompetitive work force due to cost of living


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#23 Rylanor

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 08:22 am

As a 4th-generation Polish-Jewish immigrant, I can't do UKIP. Of the few who came over in my family, they tended to be tailors who brought over some material, made a skirt and sold it, and built up, but they left behind whole families who all got slaughtered "dig your own grave" style or some such. I know there are a lot of people here now, but the state of their own countries is dire. I find it too hypocritical to turn around and close the doors even while I have struggled to find work, it's not everyone else's fault (if anything it's the way employers sit in their thrones crapping on the less-than-perfect [ie, loud and bubbly with passion] at interviews that doesn't help and that's endemic to Britain and Capitalism anyway).


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#24 RichEdmonds

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 11:50 am

I'm seriously tempted by UKIP, simply because they appear to be the only party with people who have a clue what's going on in this country (and the absolute disaster that is the EU for that matter).


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 12:40 pm

Disclaimer: this rant isn't aimed at anyone here just a general comment. I do agree with some UKIP policies and actually like Farage.

 

Bugs me how some parties (and more commonly the media) are quick to blame immigrants for our woes when it was the bankers who left this country (and the world) in economic crisis. So the richest managed to turn peoples attention to the poorest and the rest of us grabbed pitch forks and join the immigrant bashing bandwagon. Sure the number of people coming into the country is unsustainable with strains on the NHS and benefit tourism is something that needs stopped, but people, there are other issues out there.

 

How many British people are exploiting the benefit system for their own gains, I assure you the number is significantly higher than immigrants.

Public Services are at breaking point while the Tories sell chunks off to their biggest doners.

TTIP threatens British businesses as our government is willing to sell chunks of our country off to our supreme overlords in the US.

The House of Lords are supposed to hold the Government to account yet the 'Lords' are appointed by the Prime Minister of the day.

George Osborne has created more new debt than every Labour government in history combined. (don't let them confuse you by changing 'debt' to 'deficit').

Final point because I could go on. Anyone wondered who is regulating Politician expenses these days? or are we just looking when the papers throw it on it headline??


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#26 RichEdmonds

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 01:19 pm

Disclaimer: this rant isn't aimed at anyone here just a general comment. I do agree with some UKIP policies and actually like Farage.

 

Bugs me how some parties (and more commonly the media) are quick to blame immigrants for our woes when it was the bankers who left this country (and the world) in economic crisis. So the richest managed to turn peoples attention to the poorest and the rest of us grabbed pitch forks and join the immigrant bashing bandwagon. Sure the number of people coming into the country is unsustainable with strains on the NHS and benefit tourism is something that needs stopped, but people, there are other issues out there.

 

How many British people are exploiting the benefit system for their own gains, I assure you the number is significantly higher than immigrants.

Public Services are at breaking point while the Tories sell chunks off to their biggest doners.

TTIP threatens British businesses as our government is willing to sell chunks of our country off to our supreme overlords in the US.

The House of Lords are supposed to hold the Government to account yet the 'Lords' are appointed by the Prime Minister of the day.

George Osborne has created more new debt than every Labour government in history combined. (don't let them confuse you by changing 'debt' to 'deficit').

Final point because I could go on. Anyone wondered who is regulating Politician expenses these days? or are we just looking when the papers throw it on it headline??

 

Pretty much this.

 

We need the entire system overhauled and to cease recruiting morons straight from Eden college who have never worked a single day in their life.

 

The benefit system needs to be altered to provide not monetary funds, but coupons for use on select products (food, essentials), utilities and other life requirements. No 60-inch TV. No gadgets. No presents for children. Nothing extra in form of entertainment and pleasure. No holidays. It's a benefit system designed to be used as a last resort so you are able to regain hold of your life and get back into work.


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 03:33 pm

Bugs me how some parties (and more commonly the media) are quick to blame immigrants for our woes when it was the bankers who left this country (and the world) in economic crisis. So the richest managed to turn peoples attention to the poorest and the rest of us grabbed pitch forks and join the immigrant bashing bandwagon. Sure the number of people coming into the country is unsustainable with strains on the NHS and benefit tourism is something that needs stopped, but people, there are other issues out there.
 
How many British people are exploiting the benefit system for their own gains, I assure you the number is significantly higher than immigrants.


You went exactly one sentence before you placed part of the blame on the poorest in this country (Before I go on I do understand it's a pro-immigrant stance rather than an anti-benefit one) . My apologies in advance for the out-dated data but I wanted a reliable source, and the next set of figures are not due out until next month. In the 13/14 tax year, there was £1.2 billion in benefits claimed fraudulently, by comparison £1.5 billion was underpaid (Source: https://www.gov.uk/g...-2014-estimates ). As a further comparison, in the 12/13 tax year, £35 billion in tax was lost through non-payment and avoidance (Source: http://www.theguardi...ance-nonpayment ).

To address Mr Edmond's point, we could use an overhaul of government practises, everything from the billionaire corporation tax avoiders and lobbyists, through both houses of parliament, right down to the "lowest" in society. I'd caution against slicing away at the small amount of money spent on the people at the bottom though, it wouldn't improve the state of the economy at all when you look at the figures. Almost all benefit money is spent in the local economy, it stays in the country and more than likely goes towards paying your wages as part of a cyclical monetary system. I don't think making the poorest people in the country even more miserable is a very good idea at all.
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#28 Chuey

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 05:55 pm

You went exactly one sentence before you placed part of the blame on the poorest in this country

 

Please understand the only people I place any blame on is the people in power out of touch with the general population and in politics for their own personal gain rather than to actually help us.

 

My other points are there to highlight the fact there are many 'facts' the parties like to use and abuse and others we should really be aware of. I commend anyone who, like yourself, actually investigates the facts and bases their decision on that, and I appreciate you understand the point I was trying to make behind the benefits claim.

 

As you mention unclaimed tax lets not forget those lovely companies like Amazon, Facebook, Google and Vodafone that avoid to pay billions yet if you or I were to try that we'd be locked up. Tories don't seem bothered, love how Cameron blasted Jimmy Carr then was very subdued when conservative supporter Gary Barlow was also found guilty haha!


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 06:47 pm

Sorta on topic, this gave me a chuckle in work:

 

http://www.theguardi...ace-immigration

 

Particularly:

 

Then there’s Ukip, like someone made a heavy-handed version of The Thick of It for ITV. They don’t want Britain to be ruled by foreigners – with the notable exception of the royal family. They want an Australian-style points system for immigration. Who knows what this will look like, but my suspicion is “being white” will be like catching the snitch in Quidditch. If we have become a self-satirising society, Ukip are just the broader end, the easy slapstick laughs. They even have a porn-star candidate. Of course, he isn’t the first MP to have filmed himself having sex. But he is the first to do so with an adult, whom he allowed to live.


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#30 mixe

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 06:48 pm

public sector at breaking point but you ignore the elephant in the room that is public pension liabilities  

 

also benefits to the poor pay for them selves via lower crime rate take that away and we would have problems like we did back at the end of the last tory government in the 90s


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Posted 22 April 2015 - 06:55 pm

Pretty intense:

 

"They're politicians; they lie, they lie, they lie. They will lie to you about everything," ... "Stop believing the bullshit that people tell you to buy your vote and screw you over."

 

More focused on the US/Canada but still completely applicable.

 

 

One of the things I hate about the current election campaigns is that it seems to be all about who promises to spend the most, or increase spending the most, on public services, as if it's a good benchmark. "We'll increase spending on the NHS by £8 billion".... "Well we'll increase it by £10 billion!"..    The crowds go wild! Trying to avoid even exposing myself to it this time around, it's too depressing.


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#32 Chuey

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 07:26 pm

Crime rates aren't lower, they just changed how they are reported. Last Friday the England/Wales prison population was 85,432 (the max if I recall is around 86,000). Most of this population is male Category B prisoners and most of them are in for drug related robbery/burglary/theft or dealing.

 

As for pensions, I wouldn't say I've ignored it when I blamed our woes on short sighted and corrupt politicians (where did the pensions come from in the first place?). People are quick to blame us for what our employers have given us in our contracts, and it's only natural for us to protest when we've been promised something that is later taken away. The good news is the elephant is being well and truly castrated as we speak, not to mention the fact civil servants have not had a pay rise under this Tory government (will politicians get that 9 or 11% pay rise they fought so hard against? Good for them eh).

 

Edit: Depressing isn't the word Dark haha. Just feel like whoever gets in power we're all screwed and there's nothing we can do about it!


Edited by Chuey, 22 April 2015 - 07:28 pm.

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