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#33 Monkeypooh

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 11:30 am

who would of thought a women would be killed because of the heights of depravity the people in power will go to too cling to their privilege ...viva the revolution let the blood flow, the message of hate and fear are shouted loud though out the land and now we have 24/7 coverage of the results ...


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#34 Salamol

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 01:04 pm

:) Well actually this might be the last chance to leave period; mentioned in the video in my last post.


Yeah I hadn't seen that video at the time of writing :P I'm not sure exactly how much power the EU think they have over the will of the people though... We could do whatever we damn well please. Especially in a Leave situation, they can hardly impose restrictions on us if we decide we want to bugger off. It's only the same as we're doing now.

If we were not already members of the EU would you join now?


Most people would probably say No. I would also say no. It would be a huge leap into the unknown if we decide to Leave, that's the biggest concern for a lot of people voting Remain.

It leaves you relying on people like Boris, who have actively lobbied against workers rights, promising to keep worker rights. We have a government elected by 25% of the UK population, whose mantra is to keep the rich people rich and tell the poor to work harder. Instead of laws and rules coming from a body of proportionally elected MEPs that aim to raise living standards across the continent we'll hand over complete control to the Conservative party, who are heavily lobbied by the likes of Rupert Murdoch. Then there's Theresa May, who for the "protection of our children", will look to erode away human rights and will no longer be held back by EU legislation.

For me, that's a terrifying thought. I'm not sure it's worth the gamble.
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#35 Aumento

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 01:38 pm

Vote leave and have Boris Johnson and Michael Gove in power. No ta. That's before I start even thinking about the reasons to stay.

The thing is though in or out we all get fucked 'they' don't give a fuck about us. Money and power that's all that matters to these people.
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#36 mixe

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 03:14 pm

ok 2 facts the eu counsel is undemorcratic and so is the the house of lords

 

so the overall say me or you will have in our laws wont change (hint its fook all)

 

1 more fact is that there is no facts only presumptions ifs and buts

 

and all this lets make Britton great again  ye right its went well past that


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#37 Salamol

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 03:35 pm

Bring back the empire I say!
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#38 Rainu

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:21 pm

The only thing that tilts me slightly towards leaving is that decentralisation/localisation of political power is generally a good thing. Smaller governments and political bodies are less able to accumulate vast amounts of debt and are more easily held accountable for their mistakes.Outside of that, the economic and political arguments for and against are largely meaningless. Nobody knows what the economic impact will be, particularly (and most importantly) over the long term. Nobody knows what kind of politicians will be voted into power in Europe or in the UK, or what decisions they'll make. Maybe the far right will become more and more popular in Europe, maybe they won't. Maybe we'll have a Corbynist socialist disaster in the UK, maybe we won't.
 
Ultimately the referendum exemplifies the whole problem with democracy. It's a load of people voting on things that'll affect everyone, without any real knowledge or understanding of what the consequences will be.
 
http://www.independe...n-a7059201.html


This is my thoughts about the fault with democracy as well - it's like letting a 4 year old decide their diet on their own, they will chose what they want without having the knowledge or insight about what it actually leads to.

Oh, and here's another pretty good article concerning the referendum: http://www.independe...e-a7086906.html
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#39 Salamol

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 05:46 pm

Oh, and here's another pretty good article concerning the referendum: http://www.independe...e-a7086906.html


I don't think there would be a problem cherry picking talent from the EU any more than there's a problem taking it from anywhere in the world. It's capitalism. You pay more, you get the people. It doesn't make any sense that this would be a strong reason to Remain. It might make it slightly less convenient because of the additional paperwork - but there are/will be recruitment teams experienced in exactly this. If you've got a job lined up anywhere in the world because you bring the talents that the country needs, you're going to get in.
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#40 Rainu

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 06:04 pm

I don't think there would be a problem cherry picking talent from the EU any more than there's a problem taking it from anywhere in the world. It's capitalism. You pay more, you get the people. It doesn't make any sense that this would be a strong reason to Remain. It might make it slightly less convenient because of the additional paperwork - but there are/will be recruitment teams experienced in exactly this. If you've got a job lined up anywhere in the world because you bring the talents that the country needs, you're going to get in.

 

Sure, it's not by itself a reason but it isn't the only one either. The PM of Norway said in an interview earlier this week that leaving the EU while still planning to trade with it would be a mistake (considering that's the seat Norway is in) since there would still be legislations included in any trade deals and good luck trying to get by without a trade deal - the US has also said they will prioritize EU over a separate country without trade agreements, Russia is not the best option (and still some embargos in place) so that leaves... Canada? Or Asia I suppose but once again, moving those goods might cause some issues.


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#41 Eridan

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 12:25 pm

Does anyone think we live in a democracy now? There hasn't been an election fought based on on differing economic policies since 1992, New Labour just conceded the point and adopted Thatcher-ism with some social democratic window dressing.

For a democracy to function there needs to be differing opinions and informed debate. We are now in a situation where the leader of the opposition cannot speak because the media will not report what he says and instead will just report on the quality of his suit.

So do you really think you should vote the way the most extreme elements of this currrent political shit show like the Daily Mail tell you to?
 


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#42 mixe

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 12:07 pm

well it was nigel farage and the surge in ukp that forsed the torys into having this vote so yes democracy is working as intended

 

from a local economic point of vue (southwest devon ) a vote leave would be a boon for the fishing industry


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#43 Salamol

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 01:08 pm

from a local economic point of vue (southwest devon ) a vote leave would be a boon for the fishing industry


I'm sure they'll love it... so many fish. And then they'll realise they've overfished and have put the final nail in the coffin. Quotas exist for a reason, and it's not some namby pamby over-bureaucratic BS. The UK has fared better than most other countries, fishing has changed with technology... it can't sustain as many fishermen as it once did.

http://www.prospectm...ing-communities
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#44 mixe

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 01:52 pm

well that's totaly incorect as spain and france at mo fish in our waters under eu law we could treble the amount of fish we catch if we had controle over our waters and still be sustainable granted the French and Spanish would have to buy the fish of us but hay that's what trade deals are for

 

also will add that most of the fish that a caught that are undersize are put back in the ocean dead so tbh its a pointless stupid exercise

 

think about that ehh we throw dead fish back in water to prevent being fined while food banks are at the highest level ever


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#45 Salamol

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 02:07 pm

Which part is incorrect?

EDIT: We'll still have quotas so we'll still be throwing edible fish back into the sea so that we don't fall foul of our own independently imposed quotas.

Edited by Salamol, 21 June 2016 - 02:12 pm.

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#46 mixe

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 02:36 pm

if the french spanish and uk fish 200000 tons of fish each in uk waters under the stustanabilty quoters then the uk if it had contole over its own waters would be able to catch 600000 tons and still be in the quoters for sustainability

 

don't get me wrong we are free to fish in Spanish and French water.........if you don't mind having your boat rammed by the angry French n Spanish screaming fook of


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#47 Salamol

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 03:13 pm

If only it were so simple ;)
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#48 VoidInsanity

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 09:54 pm

My stance on this is based on the type of people voting for what. The Exit side seems to be full of idiot biggots or racists while the stay side seems to be full of decent folk (with Cameron being the exception). Voting for the opposite of what Boris suggests is generally a good idea.


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