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[Como]

Taken from you quote above

Cost..£190 million
Revenue Generated £200 million
Deficit £10 million

'Long term' revenue is not and never will be guaranteed and could rise or fall due to the was the visitors perceve the current monarchy.

[Quafe]

Those are all constitutional monarchies though. So the monarch is there in place of a president. What I meant was; can a country be run with just a prime minister as head of state with no president or monarch?

Oh, right. Bloody good question. To be honest, I don't see the point of having a PM but no monarchy or president. Then it may as well be a presidential system.

[Xiomaro]

Taken from you quote above

Cost..£190 million
Revenue Generated £200 million
Deficit £10 million

'Long term' revenue is not and never will be guaranteed and could rise or fall due to the was the visitors perceve the current monarchy.

Destroying nation heritage by turning them into hotels (and the like) is sure to ruin the mystique and draw of these places though.

If the revenue generated is £200m and the cost is £190m then the net is £10m not £10m deficit.

[Como]

At the end of the day, we got to ask ourselves why are they there,what is there function and what impact do they have.Most have talked about the income they generate, fair nuff but that's one expensive fucking disney land we got.

[Como]

Destroying nation heritage by turning them into hotels (and the like) is sure to ruin the mystique and draw of these places though.

If the revenue generated is £200m and the cost is £190m then the net is £10m not £10m deficit.

Ok granted they make or are in profit 10 million, when?What financial year did those figures come from, they are not a business or that is my way of thinking,if so then spending 190 million to make 10 million is a very risky business

[ZeCooL]

Ok granted they make or are in profit 10 million, when?What financial year did those figures come from, they are not a business or that is my way of thinking,if so then spending 190 million to make 10 million is a very risky business

So let me get this straight, your argument against them is that, despite the figures, they may somehow end up not making financial profit and thus they should be abolished?

[Como]

We don't need a president... Couldn't we just have the current parliamentary system but without the monarchy?

Maybe the way forward, i do not see why we have a monarch,to advise our elected PM, don't he have a cabinet?In fact doesn't he have advisor's who advise his advisor's .Why do we have the monarch who,correct me if i am wrong,why do we have the monarch who have not spent half there life studying politics, being involved in daily decision making county affairs, why do we have them advising the guy, who the country elected.

[Como]

So let me get this straight, your argument against them is that, despite the figures, they may somehow end up not making financial profit and thus they should be abolished?

My argument is why are there in such an elevated position.Why are they there and what do they do and why do we not have the option to remove them.We live in a country where we vote to elect most and every thing all except one it seems.
If we decided as a nation to not have a monarchy,then what effect would that cause bar the financial.That is my question,what do they do for US the people?

Edited by Como, 20 August 2012 - 01:23 pm.

[Raflz]

That is my question,what do they do for US the people?

The aqueduct?

[Como]

The aqueduct?

LoL, trust you to always look on the bright side of life Joe

[Raflz]

LoL, trust you to always look on the bright side of life Joe

Touche

[Xiomaro]

The issue with a president (or a prime minister as head of state if that works!) is electioneering. They will make policies that win them votes but perhaps don't actually benefit the country. Like lowering taxes for example; it might win votes but it's going to mean cuts to the NHS, roads, schools etc.

Democracy is a fair system but it does have its flaws. The first is the aforementioned electioneering. A dictator could make an unpopular decision that may benefit the people in the long run without fear of losing power. A president has to always think about winning votes at the next election. The second problem is the constant flip flopping between parties. We're in a constant cycle of Labour pulling the country towards a more left wing, socialist nation and then Conservatives coming in when we're in a financial mess and trying to clean up by privatising and making budget cuts.

A monarch helps lessen both of these problems by providing continuity while not being an absolute dictatorship.

Does anyone have the statistics on the prosperity of republics vs constitutional monarchies? I'm not sure there's a significant difference. I think the country has much bigger problems to tackle than the monarchy (if the monarchy is indeed a problem)

[slowreflex]

People seem to think the US President does more than they actually do. I am an American and consider the US President largely a mascot. Yes, they do have some important powers, like veto, but they rarely use them. Why? Because that would be them going against the people (which are represented by the House of Representatives and the Senate).

[Bandit]

i agree, what makes them better than the rest of us.... nothing. at the end of the day they are supposedly a hierarchy because of their blood. i really don't see why so many people across the world get so existed over them, look at the royal wedding the was millions of people watching it.

[Omo mo]

I will have to be against the removal of royalty ... cause every time they visit Malta, than we get some roads fixed

[omphin]

As an irish man, you can guess where i stand on this. I dispise the fact that some people can consider themselves better than others just by being born into privilege. All men are equal but some like to be more equal than others. Its imprinted into the psyche of many British to have a lord over them, just like its imprinted into the psyche of the irish that other nations are better at running ireland than the irish. Irish people (in the past and some still today) have more confidence in being run by Britain or Germany. Its a servant mentality. Same reason the english havn't got rid of the Monarchs yet. Same reason why people endulge the "Celebrity" status. People with low self esteem end up in hero worship.

And I don't mean any offence to british people with what i said above, I'm sure had ireland a monarchy active today I would feel some affection for it. But I would be like "let them support themsleves they don't need any taxes"